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Post by 50tbrd on Dec 4, 2013 10:06:29 GMT -5
There are only two options. You can ask for a refund, or you can wait. Either way George is going to give you what you ask for.
From what I understand there is not a single project that George currently has delayed that he has not had a problem with. Overlays on Warrior, bad chips on all his carts, and discontinued joysticks on the Yeti. Time is precious for a one-man operation when you also have a full-time day job to really pay the bills and yes, he probably created a bottleneck of projects that set him considerably back on all pre-orders. Obviously while progress is slow, he's trying to get caught up. Zantis, Hexed!, and Sundance have all sold through and the release dates have been pushed back on both Hellhole and the Vectrois controller.
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Post by Rapetou33 on Dec 4, 2013 10:13:53 GMT -5
Indeed. George is still active, and I'm fine with waiting for my items as long as they get delivered down the line. My copy of Hexed arrived, the Sundance Matrix package came yesterday (along with a replacement chip as the one on the board may not have been the final build), and my Yeti controller is due soon I've been told. So George is very much working on things and delivering them. I imagine it's just taken a bit longer than he anticipated originally. I am also really looking to playing "warrior" and other stuffs I ordered. I know I will. Just a question of time. I trust him totally and each time I get in touch, he replies if my questions are relevant. " (...) do them with some community funding, get a sort of homebrew store/company going where different programmers would submit their games to be packaged and sold through this site (...) "
Regarding creating some common funds to promote homebrews : Well, just consider the opportunity of "mail plane" very recently : few people were ready to give money to acquire it in the name of the Community. Everybody agrees in theory but when time is for paying the bill, reluctance appears. But nonetheless, why not going deeper into this idea ?
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Post by gliptitude on Dec 4, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -5
It really sucks that it has taken this long and no reliable ETA in sight. But I'm sure Fury wants to be done with it as much as anyone. Perhaps the worst part is that Warrior seems to have tied up his whole business to some extent.
There have been other homebrew projects that eventually came out after a longer wait than this, in some instances being passed on and completed by a different person. And of course other instances where the project never got completed.
I think it's a bit different with Fury Unlimited than other homebrewers because the volume and production quality of his games is more like a commercial studio than others. He has a unique style and trademark and he's not going to release a demo or a ROM or an amateurishly packaged item. YOU WON'T GET IT UNTIL HE IS HAPPY WITH THE RESULT.
.. I have waited longer for The Last Guardian (PS3, now PS4?) than I have for Warrior, and that game has the full support of SONY and an entire team of game designers, not to mention it has been in the computer system for pre-order at Game Stop for over 2 years!
So it could be worse.
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Post by kokovec on Dec 4, 2013 17:56:44 GMT -5
I've had some interaction with Mr Fury in the past with some of his products and I'm here to tell you that he won't let you down. I'm sure your patience will surely pay off.
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Post by ledzep on Dec 4, 2013 19:00:22 GMT -5
Regarding creating some common funds to promote homebrews : Well, just consider the opportunity of "mail plane" very recently : few people were ready to give money to acquire it in the name of the Community. Everybody agrees in theory but when time is for paying the bill, reluctance appears. But nonetheless, why not going deeper into this idea ? Well, the Mail Plane scenario is different. In that case a guy wins an eBay auction and hopes a few people can help him out with the expense of acquiring the game so that everyone else gets a shot at playing it. That's a lot of trust given to a guy maybe most people don't know. What I'm talking about is Vector Gaming becoming the distributor of games coded by other people. One or two games at a time, nothing massive or too effort-consuming. Figure out the expenses for making pro-quality overlays (the guy who is making the Y.A.S.I. overlay would be the obvious source there), buying cart shells in bulk, buying boards in bulk, making pro-quality boxes (there are a couple people at least who have pulled that off, there's a guy who makes boxes for Atari games who also knows what he's doing, I've bought like 5 of his Atari 5200 boxes for homebrew games) and instructions, figure out how to split the profits between the coder and Vector Gaming (VGE? Vector Gaming Electronics? Not a bad name compared to GCE.), should there be options for box/no box, overlay/no overlay? Maybe that makes things too complicated, I don't know. Maybe somebody over at AtariAge could explain how it works for them, they seem to be most of the way there (selling boxed Atari 7800 games and 5200 games like Tempest). Maybe there could be a scenario down the line where Fury sells his games like he usually does but also there's a cardboard-boxed version available here (for more money, obviously) for those who want that edition. Once the process gets going there could be offers for new boxes/cartridges/overlays for games that never came with them. We've all heard what a pain it is to find a printer who can pull off overlays or boxes, but each time it's a different guy in a different area or he's destroying his laserjet printer in order to make them by hand. If one printer was getting all the business, and bigger orders, perhaps the expense goes down and the packaging is better and consistent. Seriously, what Vectrex fan would say no to a version of this for new/previous Vectrex games? atariage.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1014atariage.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1029atariage.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1026
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Post by Luitoine on Dec 4, 2013 19:12:31 GMT -5
He hasn't posted since February, and I don't know if anyone has received an update about Warrior since that e-mail in July. Actually I'm pretty sure there was an update in septembre, and maybe even in october (I don't keep all my e-mails so I can't verify that, but I clearly remember that there were some news after july). I think all we have to do is to be patient (especially me since I'm at the end of the list, but anyway, I already have too much games to play, and unfortunately not really enough time for it, and I guess it's the same for most of us ).
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Post by gliptitude on Dec 4, 2013 20:08:42 GMT -5
What I'm talking about is Vector Gaming becoming the distributor of games coded by other people. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone), but Vector Gaming is basically the responsibility of ONE PERSON, and the audience (consumer base) is a few hundred people at best, (more realistically measured in the dozens, as far as active members go). I believe that your reference point is ATARI AGE, which has been around for a very long time (in some form it predates the internet) and it has a vast audience. In my mind, Atari Age itself would seem like a more eligible candidate for sponsoring Vectrex homebrews, just because of their experience, that they are already set up for this and that the Vectrex is a kindred console to the Atari ones. Also there are lots of folks on Atari Age who like the Vectrex, and might buy new Vectrex games, but are not hardcore enough or Vectrex exclusive enough to participate in these forums. I think Classic Game Creations was the closest thing we will ever have to an all encompassing homebrew vector label. And that too was the work of ONE man, who eventually decided it was too much. We are an odd and fanatical bunch, few in number. I think we are pretty lucky to have what we've had when we've had it.
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Post by VectorX on Dec 4, 2013 20:39:42 GMT -5
Also there are lots of folks on Atari Age who like the Vectrex, and might buy new Vectrex games, but are not hardcore enough or Vectrex exclusive enough to participate in these forums. Atari Age is huge and very active. Another reason (that I thought of before someone had even posted it) is not long after these forums were posted about over there was that some people are already on a crapload of forums anyway and didn't want to join any more, as one guy said he was literally on like 20 of them. So that's another factor.
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Post by ledzep on Dec 4, 2013 21:22:35 GMT -5
In my mind, Atari Age itself would seem like a more eligible candidate for sponsoring Vectrex homebrews, just because of their experience, that they are already set up for this and that the Vectrex is a kindred console to the Atari ones. Also there are lots of folks on Atari Age who like the Vectrex, and might buy new Vectrex games, but are not hardcore enough or Vectrex exclusive enough to participate in these forums. I think Classic Game Creations was the closest thing we will ever have to an all encompassing homebrew vector label. And that too was the work of ONE man, who eventually decided it was too much. We are an odd and fanatical bunch, few in number. I think we are pretty lucky to have what we've had when we've had it. Ya, you're probably right. I wasn't aware of how one-man the operation was here. Certainly there are less members here than at AtariAge. I just wonder how many homebrew-buying Vectrex fans there are over there. I suppose more than I think. The reason I suggested Vector Gaming over AtariAge was specifically because of what you mention, that the Vectrex fans here are probably more into it than the ones over at AtariAge. But it might be worth it to inquire, some sort of partnership with them since, as you say, they have the experience. Being selfish here but I want to be able to buy a boxed Red Baron or Asteroids with an overlay. It's about time! I would even welcome improved or more pure versions of previously-released arcade game ports (like Lunar Lander) in order to get cardboard boxes and have the artwork better match the arcade games.
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Post by VectorX on Dec 4, 2013 21:44:55 GMT -5
Certainly there are less members here than at AtariAge. I just wonder how many homebrew-buying Vectrex fans there are over there. I suppose more than I think. There are a fair amount. I lurk on AA here and there and see some Vectrex threads and posts on a fair occasion.
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Post by desfeek on Dec 4, 2013 22:00:14 GMT -5
AA is run by one person, Albert. He has a band of very involved moderators and dedicated helpers, but ultimately Al does most of the order handling, shipping, adminning (is that a word?), etc.
There is a fair amount of Vectrex traffic over there - if someone is interested in the 5200, Atari 8-Bits, or Jaguar, they're probably also interested in the Vectrex.
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Post by legeek2086 on Dec 21, 2013 9:39:37 GMT -5
Email update from George:
Cheers, Ben
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Post by scallen on Dec 21, 2013 11:40:21 GMT -5
Warriorrr… come out to play-aaay
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Post by gliptitude on Dec 21, 2013 20:59:47 GMT -5
I came to give the same update as above, all Warriors ship by end of March!
.. Unfortunately another thing mentioned in this update is that he no longer participates in forums.
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Post by VectorX on Dec 21, 2013 21:32:58 GMT -5
^He had apologized to me about that several months ago, saying he didn't have the time for forums any more (and not just this one) .
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