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Post by TrekMD on Sept 8, 2013 22:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by VectorX on Sept 8, 2013 23:14:50 GMT -5
Nintendo just needs to follow Sega's path and make software, not consoles any more.
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Post by TrekMD on Sept 8, 2013 23:34:35 GMT -5
You're not the first one to say that!
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Post by VectorX on Sept 9, 2013 8:17:31 GMT -5
Sad but true, unfortunately.  |
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Post by gliptitude on Oct 10, 2013 23:10:18 GMT -5
Hey they've still got the Seattle Mariners right?
... I think Nintendo should make a COMPUTER, (are they still called that?). Apple has proven that people will actually pay extra for a machine that limits their access, and intentionally withholds key features, as long as it is well designed. ... I think Nintendo has similar habits in their consoles. The biggest difference is that Nintendo is totally committed to meeting reasonable consumer price points, while Apple consistently charges double the competition, and convinces a large portion of their customers to trade the old for the new on a semi-annual basis.
As accessible as computing power and memory have become, and as home televisions and "computer monitors" begin to morph into one, it seems like a video game console company with as much hardware experience as Nintendo could fill a nitch with a small nifty modular computer.
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Post by wyldephang on Oct 10, 2013 23:38:25 GMT -5
I don't know if I believe that. Nintendo has consistently been at the head of industry innovation since 1983, when they put out the NES and saved the home gaming industry from total collapse. When they had no desire to compete against Sony and Microsoft in high-definition photorealistic gaming, they changed the mold and went for a family-oriented console, the Wii, and outsold the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in all regions. Also, Nintendo designed the two most successful handheld gaming devices in history, the Nintendo DS and Game Boy. Including the Game Boy Advance, Nintendo has sold more than 350 million handhelds worldwide, meaning that a Nintendo portable has reached as many pairs of hands as the iPod (according to a 2012 estimate). So, if there ever comes a day when Nintendo becomes irrelevant to gaming, it wouldn't be that they failed the industry; it'd be that the industry failed us. Anyone who enjoys gaming for the spirit of gaming should fight to keep the company alive. |
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Post by gliptitude on Oct 11, 2013 17:34:47 GMT -5
Well we might all agree that the brand new Nintendo 2DS is a step in the wrong direction. (Release date: tomorrow)
I just heard about this yesterday. "Introductory level" 3DS compatible handheld, without 3D display, priced lower for casual gamers. ... This actually sounded appealing to me, since there are a few good looking games only available on the 3DS, and the 3D itself is not much of a selling point for me. ... I was hoping it would be mostly a design novelty, like the Game Boy Micro, which was a GREAT product.
However, looking into it, it looks like a pretty lame design and the price isn't so much cheaper that I'd be any more likely to buy this than the 3DS. The 2DS is not being released in Japan, which I think indicates that it is not a very good product.
... As mentioned in the above linked articles, Nintendo had a lot riding on the Wii U, and that console has had very disappointing sales.
Both the WiiU and the 2DS appear like confused efforts to mimic what Apple and others have been doing, with a tablet-like form. Also both products are posturing for the "under 12 years old" market, which is bad news for classic gamers.
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Post by wyldephang on Oct 11, 2013 19:34:25 GMT -5
Well we might all agree that the brand new Nintendo 2DS is a step in the wrong direction. (Release date: tomorrow) I just heard about this yesterday. "Introductory level" 3DS compatible handheld, without 3D display, priced lower for casual gamers. ... This actually sounded appealing to me, since there are a few good looking games only available on the 3DS, and the 3D itself is not much of a selling point for me. ... I was hoping it would be mostly a design novelty, like the Game Boy Micro, which was a GREAT product. However, looking into it, it looks like a pretty lame design and the price isn't so much cheaper that I'd be any more likely to buy this than the 3DS. The 2DS is not being released in Japan, which I think indicates that it is not a very good product. ... As mentioned in the above linked articles, Nintendo had a lot riding on the Wii U, and that console has had very disappointing sales. Both the WiiU and the 2DS appear like confused efforts to mimic what Apple and others have been doing, with a tablet-like form. Also both products are posturing for the "under 12 years old" market, which is bad news for classic gamers. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the modern generation of gaming that will excite the classic gamer. We know what we like, and we're disgusted with the general decline of the industry. But Nintendo does manage to keep their time-honored franchises alive: games like Mario Bros. and Zelda are still some of the best offerings today (always a great blend of high production and fun gameplay) and Donkey Kong Country Returns was an excellent way to revisit Nintendo's roots. I suppose Nintendo could theoretically switch their efforts to software rather than hardware development, but I would hate to think of any of their franchises being contaminated by the likes of Microsoft, a company that tends to suck the charm out of gaming. I'm sure Nintendo will see shrinking profits for some time, but Sony recovered from a serious slump in PlayStation 3 sales and managed to eventually close the gap with the Xbox 360. I've got faith in Nintendo. |
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Post by VectorX on Oct 11, 2013 20:46:22 GMT -5
I'm sure Nintendo will see shrinking profits for some time, but Sony recovered from a serious slump in PlayStation 3 sales and managed to eventually close the gap with the Xbox 360. How'd Sega's sales go after they quit the hardware biz to switch to software, do you know? Was it similar? I've got faith in Nintendo. They've been around for decades through all kinds of ups and downs, which there's no way they're just suddenly going to disappear. It'll be interesting to see how they're going to forge on though. |
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Post by gliptitude on Oct 11, 2013 21:16:35 GMT -5
Sony obviously was much more than a game company throughout the Playstation 3 struggles. IDK what share gaming was or is for them. But it's certainly different from Nintendo.
I like to think Nintendo has a future. ... I would think that, in some respect, what they have to offer that the other companies do not have to offer, is relevant to the classic gamers, and something that they ought to better capitalize on. Nintendo clearly understands FUN better than Sony/Microsoft/Apple. ... Fun may involve novelties like 3D, touchscreens and gyro and motion sensors, but it is not limited to that. There are the faithful franchises that you mention (wyldephang), but why can't Nintendo continue to invent new and vital game concepts like they did 25 years ago?
Nintendo made its name by reviving an industry, improving on things that already existed but were overcome by technological fads. But now Nintendo has become a slave to technology.
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Post by wyldephang on Oct 12, 2013 1:17:51 GMT -5
Nintendo made its name by reviving an industry, improving on things that already existed but were overcome by technological fads. But now Nintendo has become a slave to technology. Unfortunately, I think the entertainment industry as a whole is a slave to technology. Consider that many major motion pictures today (excluding art house films) are overly computerized; too much attention is spent on applying a veneer of CGI effects throughout the film, making it look stiff and unattractive. There was a time, I think, when special effects were handled with taste. But today, a studio measures the success of a film by how many teens describe it as "tight," "dope," or "off the chain." What they're really hoping to attract is the young adult demographic, viewers who esteem action sequences, special effects, and big explosions over art and talent. This is the same demographic that leaves the theater at 10:45 pm, turns on the Xbox 360 when they get home, and plays Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 because they think it's the tightest, dopest, most off-the-chain game ever created, maybe even better than Madden. They flick on their iPods on their way to school or work and listen to the latest overproduced pop/rock album, where every instrument is mixed exactly alike, the same ProTools patch run for every song, and levels compressed and raised through the freaking roof. As a whole, it seems the entertainment industry is swirling down the toilet fast, and this young adult demographic is at the handle. The classic gamers sigh and remember a different time. |
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Post by sj on Oct 12, 2013 2:30:00 GMT -5
^ Well said. I've not heard of an off the chain tight dope (the American screams out of that sentence   , but I know what you mean and you're bang on. Just don't get me started about modern music. Simon Cowell has a lot to answer for. Strikes me Nintendo are a Jaguar E-type in a world of Lexus and BMW. |
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Post by gliptitude on Oct 13, 2013 1:55:32 GMT -5
Yes I agree, well said wyldephang.
... I think I have a slightly different take on the differences between "now" and "then". I don't dispute the outcomes as you describe them, but I just don't agree that it is strictly a matter of taste, or that the individual humans involved are the majority cause of this.
Technologies of the past were much MUCH more CRAFT oriented.
There was always a blind preoccupation with the latest and greatest tech in videogames and movie special effects. But technologies of the past still relied on cleverness, economical design and manual creativity. It is very difficult to implement the all powerful tools of today with the same amount of intimacy and technique.
Considering your term "taste", in a more abstract sense - the tools themselves had more flavor in the past. The limitations of various mediums very often provided a distinctness to the productions. ... The "limitless" digital mediums of today are oppressively transparent, not just "tasteless" in the sense of "in poor taste", but literally "without flavor".
I think this idea requires elaboration, which I don't have time for right now. But maybe you get what I'm saying anyway?
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Post by nubiandaze on Oct 3, 2018 3:13:27 GMT -5
I all,
Maybe now the Switch will see Nintendo shine again. And it is!
Daniel.
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Post by kokovec on Oct 8, 2018 13:18:53 GMT -5
Wait... Nintendo didn't die?  The Wii was the last Nintendo console I've owned and it looks like I now fall outside of their demographic. |
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, but I know what you mean and you're bang on. Just don't get me started about modern music. Simon Cowell has a lot to answer for. Strikes me Nintendo are a Jaguar E-type in a world of Lexus and BMW.
