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Post by hcmffm on Sept 4, 2014 16:22:20 GMT -5
Oh, so you did some research to finally find out if what that lady did was copyright violation after all? Is this supposed to be a joke? It was obvious to anyone here that the "lady" had offered a replica of the Vectorcade. I don't care whether it's legal or not, but it was an absolute no-no what the "lady" did. And Brett clearly stated that he doesn't want his design copied and she didn't care. On top she even claimed that Brett's Vectorcade was inferior in quality. I didn't have the impression that people really took sides and allied Brett. Later the topic was even locked. O.k., I stop here now, because this Vectorcade replica story still pisses me off. Back to topic: Warrior.
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Post by VectorX on Sept 4, 2014 17:04:28 GMT -5
Oh, so you did some research to finally find out if what that lady did was copyright violation after all? Is this supposed to be a joke? No, it is NOT a joke: I have said several times before and I'll say it again, I have several years' legal experience, but they don't cover copyright law. That's why I asked. She said she used the wiring schematics based on a guy that had them online for free use before Brett did, so possibly that wasn't copyright infringement. It was obvious to anyone here that the "lady" had offered a replica of the Vectorcade. Not to her...her words: I feel it has come to the stage that I have to clarify a few things on this one, Firstly it is not a vectorcade its a vec2cade As for coming up with my own design - I fail to see how a box with a joystick and 4 buttons and a open source logo is an "original design"more of a blank canvas. Not only have I added my own artwork,but did I miss something or were there vectorcades with a European logo-I can confidently confirm there never was,this is my design! These units are in no way manufactured using any pre existing moulds models plans ect of Bretts - in fact I have never seen a vectorcade in the flesh let alone take a mould from one All of this was designed and built from the ground up by my own hands - the only thing that was taken was the inspiration and demand for an arcade controller for the vectrex Not that I'm taking her side of it, but right now it seems to me that's an opinion. I don't care whether it's legal or not, Obviously others of us do. And Brett clearly stated that he doesn't want his design copied and she didn't care. I don't see where he said that on the net. Maybe on here he did (I'll admit I'm not going through every post on that thread) after she made it, but then it was obviously too late. On top she even claimed that Brett's Vectorcade was inferior in quality. She said she never used one personally, so her opinion there could be wrong and biased. People can be wrong and biased, you know. If anyone would like to hook her up with one feel free to do so and maybe she'd be better educated about it and retract her statement possibly. I didn't have the impression that people really took sides and allied Brett. Several people thought his unit was too much originally without knowing how much making something like that originally cost. So what? Again, people can be biased and wrong on things they hadn't tried, especially if they don't know about hand-made manufacturing and fiberglass, or whatever was used for it (which I think it was). That included myself until Brett and others chimed in about it: I also originally thought it was too much. Later the topic was even locked. Along with saying over and over of my past legal experience, I also have chronic fatigue, and I EXPLAINED that the conversation was just going in circles, everything was already said and it was going nowhere, just like it is happening all over again. Look at the last damn post explaining this (AGAIN) and stop repeating things over and over again and wasting time on this and trying to make me look bad in the process. Good grief.
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Post by christophertumber on Sept 4, 2014 17:35:54 GMT -5
No, it is NOT a joke: I have said several times before and I'll say it again, I have several years' legal experience, but they don't cover copyright law. That's why I asked. She said she used the wiring schematics based on a guy that had them online for free use before Brett did, so possibly that wasn't copyright infringement. It's a moot question though. Legally, nothing is infringing until a court says it is (presumption of innocence). Which will obviously never happen. So all that's left is the opinion of the peanut gallery, ie; us. And I'm 100% with hcmffm and Brett. That thing was way, way over the line and I can basically guarantee you that if a significant number of those were sold and 5 or 10 years from now the Vectorcade is worth more, there will be attempts to resell them on eBay as Vectorcades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_dressBut, I'm "touchy" on these things so YMMV.
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Post by vectrexrc on Sept 5, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -5
are there any pics for this copyright infringing contraption? Is it blatant facsimile? any controller could be described as "a joystick and 4 buttons in a box" - the circuit to connect a joystick to vectrex is public domain.
problem comes with people claiming copyright on stuff that they did not have right to in the first place eg. logos. and then of course there are the homebrew developers that develop clones of pre-existing retro games even some porting code/modding from commercial release on other machines. some of the homebrew scene is on dodgy grounds..hence no Vectrex Joust clone?! but would Atari really be bothered? Do they even still exist? Lucky that market is so small and the money concerned is so relatively little.
unfortunately the vectrex "community" seems to be more worried about residual value of their @@@rare@@@ collection stuff. it seems there is money to be made from collectors - and therefore people will setup up to fill the demand - sometimes with dubious business practices.
the way that Fury has conducted himself over Warrior has left a very bitter taste in mouths of some individuals...whether that will affect interest in future projects - that will remain to be seen.
Probably not - the rarity value of his limited release model will keep his "business" going. As collectors will see this as a "can't fail" investment prospect, a $60 gamble which may arrive eventually and immediately be worth much more on ebay. For Fury I suspect it is just a side hobby run in spare time..perhaps he has just not had time to meet his obligations or personal/technical problems having high impact on delivery times.
However there is no excuse for poor communications and not being transparent with customers that have put their faith that you will deliver on your promises. Not being able to offer a paypal refund for 8 weeks is ridiculous. threads like this on a public forum is not good advertisement - if I was Fury I would be here giving a status update to help rectify an uncertainty related to his "brand".
anyway its not really my problem as i missed out on this "opportunity" - the question I am asking myself is would i sign up for his next project?
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Post by VectorX on Sept 5, 2014 16:43:57 GMT -5
are there any pics for this copyright infringing contraption? It's on the page I linked to earlier, or here. problem comes with people claiming copyright on stuff that they did not have right to in the first place eg. logos. Vectrex stuff is fine to reuse/it has been released to public domain, THE only video game entity (I think?) that is that way, although I think the library of Exidy arcade ROMs were freely released too, I'm not sure. some of the homebrew scene is on dodgy grounds..hence no Vectrex Joust clone?! but would Atari really be bothered? Do they even still exist? Atari is still around (they filed for bankruptcy protection in November), but I don't think they own Joust, they just ported it around back in the day. For Fury I suspect it is just a side hobby run in spare time..perhaps he has just not had time to meet his obligations or personal/technical problems having high impact on delivery times. Several of our guesses think it IS financial, or lack thereof, especially with... However there is no excuse for poor communications and not being transparent with customers that have put their faith that you will deliver on your promises. Not being able to offer a paypal refund for 8 weeks is ridiculous. That has many of us suspicious, hence why a recent copy of Warrior made available didn't go to the next person on a list that wanted it, it went to ebay and sold for several hundred, going back into George's pocket. Spare FURY boxes supposedly ship within 48 hours though, something that George probably has in his possession and can make a few bucks on. Other stuff he doesn't seem like he's able to. threads like this on a public forum is not good advertisement - if I was Fury I would be here giving a status update to help rectify an uncertainty related to his "brand". He had apologized quite some time back he didn't have the time any more to post on here, or any other forum. So that's out for now. anyway its not really my problem as i missed out on this "opportunity" - the question I am asking myself is would i sign up for his next project? A good question for many of us, I'm sure.
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Post by gauze on Sept 5, 2014 16:57:36 GMT -5
my new game is called "NO PREORDERS", available in March (of which year I won't say)
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Post by christophertumber on Sept 5, 2014 17:23:15 GMT -5
Vectrex stuff is fine to reuse/it has been released to public domain No.
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Post by VectorX on Sept 5, 2014 17:29:27 GMT -5
^Right, it's the not-for-profit circulation of duplicate materials and the like, not that (I couldn't remember exactly and I just now looked it up).
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Post by fmml on Sept 5, 2014 18:16:03 GMT -5
I think the lack of communication is a the main problem. Many people here wait patiently for years now and will do so even further. Furyunlimited.com states that Warrior is shipping but apparantly is not. Since this Info the hp has been edited several times (replacement boxes, WotW moved to legacy games). Why not a small note like: "Sorry, there are unexpected problems I have to take care of before I will deliver. Expect another delay. Thank you for your patience!"
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Post by VectorX on Sept 5, 2014 18:19:07 GMT -5
That seems reasonable, although with him refusing to answer e-mails about it, I'm sure he doesn't want to do something like that either, as he's tired of it. But join the club, many people are tired of waiting. Also, I forgot to ask gauze about his new game: it's going to be in the puzzle genre, right?
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Post by Mayhem on Sept 5, 2014 19:42:00 GMT -5
No, it's a FPS where you have to battle your way to GameStop to pick up the only remaining copy of Call of Duty: Big Vector Edition left on sale.
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Post by gauze on Sept 6, 2014 6:04:06 GMT -5
I'm actually working on tax preparation software for the vectrex called VecTax, requires the Vectrex serial printer and ps/2 keyboard add-ons. Working on limited version with 3-D and VecVox+ support currently.
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Post by jasonbar on Sept 6, 2014 11:03:29 GMT -5
If the Warrior "buy my place in line" scenario works out for you guys, VectorGamer & fmml, I would like to offer up my Fury preorders for sale, for the exact amounts that I paid for them, which included US shipping costs: Hellhole/Vectrosis: $81 ordered 6/13/2012 Overdrive: $64.65 ordered 7/30/2012 Overdrive: $64.65 ordered 7/30/2012 Yeti: $86.20 ordered 12/25/2012 ---------------------- Total: $296.30 Sorry that this post is semi-off topic, but it is also semi-on topic. Please don't derail the Warrior thread too much with this. :] Thanks, -Jason Howdy- How did the address change plan work out? Thanks, -Jason It hasn't. When I sent my original email to Fury asking for my refund, I got a speedy response - like within hours. The person on these forums that wanted to take my place in line sent Fury an email - I don't know if they ever got a response. I sent Fury an email stating that someone was interested in taking my copy and that it would be OK ONLY IF I CONFIRM that I have been Paypal'd. I did not receive a response to that email and it's been at least a week. The fact that I have to wait 4 to 8 weeks for a Paypal refund on Warrior is absolute bullsh*t! Phuck this guy...I'll never do business with this guy again and I'll recommend people stay away from this guy. You have all been warned.
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Post by VectorX on Sept 6, 2014 11:41:39 GMT -5
Hellhole/Vectrosis: $81 ordered 6/13/2012 Overdrive: $64.65 ordered 7/30/2012 Overdrive: $64.65 ordered 7/30/2012 Yeti: $86.20 ordered 12/25/2012 The Yeti never shipped?! That's really screwy that he had these controllers, made them, stated they were sold out, yet they're STILL not out? Sorry that this post is semi-off topic, but it is also semi-on topic. Please don't derail the Warrior thread too much with this. :] Not that huge a deal, but then you did end this with a smiley, so...
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Post by 50tbrd on Sept 6, 2014 13:09:44 GMT -5
The Equinox controllers are made with the same components as the Yeti, FYI. I'd take your spot on the Yeti and Hellhole Jason but I wonder exactly how well George has kept up with the information of the pre-orders.
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