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Post by nubiandaze on Mar 9, 2020 10:36:07 GMT -5
Hi All,
When I was a younger man and in university studying journalism I read a very interesting paper called 'Death to the Author' written
by Roland Barthes. It is quite a famous piece as a young and budding journalist and still has me interested today.
I was thinking to myself along these lines tonight when it comes to the fairly current topic of certain Vectrex game programmers , or at least one, not releasing there games into the public domain and able to play them on the cool new Vec browser emulator I have played around with once or twice.
Why do authors have to bignote themselves in such high regard when, in my opinion, all games should be released into the public domain and bugger the authors who must rate themselves oh so highly above all else.
Although I do own a Vec multicart, I am not in favour of them. And in saying that why do certain multicart developers have to stamp their big name on carts either, and make big bucks out of poor and trying Vectrex programmers. God help them if the students of the professor's games are included on these multicarts too. The students did a great job.
Another thing regarding 'Spike Goes Down.' I have emailed Alex Herbert for probably a decade now and I have also seen other posts on this forum that suggest Alex is no longer with us. I really think people just don't want to see Spike Goes Down to be released into the public domain as it will make their Protector LE carts decrease in value. That's just being selfish and self centered.
The internet is all about free information for the people in the first place.
This needs to be mentioned.
Kind regards,
Daniel Foot.
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Post by cintivoch on Mar 9, 2020 11:10:07 GMT -5
Thankfully you're not the one to set the tone, or the rules to control the creative works of others. If you're so inclined to to raise an issue, then the issue should be the one seen when looking into the mirror at the man who would complain, instead of create.
The internet is about communication and creation. It should not be about the engorged ego of one whose will seeks to influence and control the innocents in an attempt to and consume the creative breads, leaving nothing but dust and dejection for those who made the breads.
Best hopes for a inspire minds and expand the hands of creation on this good earth. And to feed them their due in the manner which best respects them.
- O
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Post by nubiandaze on Mar 9, 2020 11:48:01 GMT -5
Hi Cinitivoch,
I don't quite get where your coming from? Can you try a bit harder to explain please?
Daniel.
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Post by VectorX on Mar 9, 2020 11:53:42 GMT -5
Why do authors have to bignote themselves in such high regard when, in my opinion, all games should be released into the public domain and bugger the authors who must rate themselves oh so highly above all else. You can't speak for everyone. Everyone has their own different ideas about things. Even when things can be considered "the norm" not everyone is going to agree with it. Just look up any [what you think to be a] horrible movie on the imdb or Rotten Tomatoes that mostly, universally has poor reviews, yet someone will still rate it highly, for instance. People can have different ideas about what to do with their games as well, whether they release them to the public domain or not. They don't have to even if we want them to. It's up to them, whether we agree or not, unfortunately.
And as far as Spike Goes Down, I don't think people would have to worry about their carts decreasing in value. There were still only 100 copies made, so they'd still be worth a bit. That can't be taken away (maybe a little though, I'll admit). |
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Post by 50tbrd on Mar 9, 2020 12:25:10 GMT -5
Perhaps you should only get what you pay for.
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Post by nubiandaze on Mar 9, 2020 12:34:17 GMT -5
Hi,
There's no way I want to speak for everyone. I am just one person with a point of view as stated. The media is so influential however
and let's just hope those in the roles of editors and mods etc are decent enough people that they can stay in the middle and
allow all groups to have their say.
Vector X wrote - "People can have different ideas about what to do with their games as well, whether they release them to the public domain or not. They don't have to even if we want them to. It's up to them, whether we agree or not, unfortunately."
Let's just hope we can have fun playing all games and the better they are the better they will be received and let's hope most of them are put into the public domain.
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Post by 8-Bit Waves on Mar 9, 2020 15:21:58 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the reason you can't play it for two minutes on your web browser has little to do with Alex thinking highly of himself.
"Here is a little bonus game for my supporters." vs. "This game is sooo good I'm going to put it in a 100 copies of this other game (that is actually better) and make it so nobody else can ever play it... muhahaha."
It is just a fun thing. I don't own it either.
Maybe Gauze can give us his version of "Spike Goes Down". XD
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Post by marblemad on Mar 9, 2020 15:23:41 GMT -5
It take a hell of a lot of effort to write a game you know. "lets hope it ends up in the public domain", well maybe eventually but No, let us enjoy the fruits of our labour for a bit, please? Also a lot of us go to a lot of trouble to produce a nice package also, it's a bit annoying to see people playing and judging our games based on just a .bin, no box instructions or overlay, It's like watching someone reading your book and saying "it's a bit rubbish", only to discover they're reading a copy with half the words missing. I think when people make comments like these they must forget that several of the authors are actually reading. It's very disheartening and demoralising and I can assure you several of us are reading and talking about this privately and we're not best pleased. on a different but related note: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxI5vk8b8xg |
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Post by TrekMD on Mar 9, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
I like to support homebrew developers. It takes time and effort to make games and even more so when they are released CIB. From my perspective, it is up to the person developing the game whether or not to release the game binary for free for people to enjoy.
marblemad, it sucks to see someone making bootleg copies of your game. That is just wrong.
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Post by ls650 on Mar 9, 2020 15:53:50 GMT -5
"Why do authors have to bignote themselves in such high regard when, IN MY OPINION, all games should be released into the public domain and bugger the authors who must rate themselves oh so highly above all else."
I guess opinions differ. If someone creates a work of art, by all means let that creator decide what happens with that work. I don't think it has anything to do with 'bignotes' or hold themselves 'in high regard' - they simply want to maintain control of their own creation. I see nothing wrong with that.
Do you think that they owe you a free game?
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Post by gliptitude on Mar 11, 2020 18:59:44 GMT -5
I think this is an example of the pornification of everything and not what is good about the internet.
The idea of authorship as a form of dictatorship is interesting and I know various French intellectuals debated this. But it is a different paradigm now when you have such a highly evolved, proficient and even predatory consumer culture. I don't think Barthes was preoccupied with collecting or anything equivalent to today's "completionist" gamer.
A big part of homebrew is about going under the radar, slowing down time, resurrecting ghosts, reenacting memories .. the time is never now!
Well, I'm not committed to that, but I'd rather apply such intellectual concepts to new ideas instead of wrangling accomplished authors that don't want to be wrangled. Authorless Vectrex games don't seem like a realistic possibility.
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Post by VectorX on Mar 11, 2020 19:15:23 GMT -5
I don't think Barthes was preoccupied with collecting or anything equivalent to today's "completionist" gamer. Yep, people who say things without entertaining all aspects of such definitely miss a thing or two, kind of like a Drums and Drumming mag I have from 1990 or so when the drummer of The Doobie Brothers wrote an anti-double bass drum piece. He made no mention whatsoever [/probably had no knowledge of] the role the double bass drum plays in thrash/death metal. Sometimes double bass drummers overdo it as it is, I'll admit--in Fear Factor's debut album, which comes to mind in my opinion--but that wasn't even addressed. The heaviest that he mentioned was Led Zeppelin's John Bonham, arguing there was no room for additional bass drum notes in Zep's catalog, as he used a single bass drum only. No mention of the faster stuff there and how the second bass drum had no place in it (and how about jazz drummers as well though?). Same goes with Barthes, although he made some interesting points though. |
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Post by kokovec on Mar 11, 2020 23:04:38 GMT -5
For a brief moment I thought I had an opinion on this subject but it turns out it wouldn't matter if I did.
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Post by jbrodack on Mar 23, 2020 19:54:53 GMT -5
I do still want to play spike goes down. Maybe someone could create a clone. Lots of homebrew are clones of games anyway.
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Post by gauze on Apr 27, 2020 0:51:21 GMT -5
people have different world views and I don't think you can fairly criticize another's idea of how the world operates and its values using your value system. Sorry to be a moral relativist.
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