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Post by Mayhem on Aug 4, 2013 20:03:28 GMT -5
In addition, I'm pretty sure it is the proto unit and mold because the buttons are concave instead of convex like the production Vectorcades. The proto unit #0 had those concave style buttons. I decided against the standard concave arcade buttons for looks and feel of the convex button style. As I currently own the prototype unit #0 and the mould (I bought them from David Elfstrom several years ago whom I believe was the person who won your auction), I can state that they've had nothing to do with the production of this replica. As the seller himself says. They've say in my possession since, and the Vectorcade gets some occasional use for testing games mostly. I'm curious as to this "flaw" you mention earlier in the thread however in regards to my unit... |
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Post by wyldephang on Aug 4, 2013 22:17:04 GMT -5
Well, I think you've both done a marvelous job with the Vectrex arcade-style controllers. I've never seen one in person, but judging by the pictures, the controllers are made with an extremely high level of craftsmanship. As it stands, I don't believe there's a reason that both designs can't coexist. Since the Vectorcade has fallen out of production, I don't see the harm in a similar (albeit not identical) controller being offered to new customers who may not have been able to purchase from the first run. Anyway, it sounds like the dispute has already been settled. That's good. The Vectrex collector's market is a close-knit international community; you rely on both European and North American buyers and sellers to make it thrive, so it's certainly in the best interest of everyone involved to solve these matters peacefully and promote coexistence in this great sphere of Vectrex collecting.  |
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Post by Brett W. (PlayVectrex.com) on Aug 5, 2013 1:41:36 GMT -5
Mayhem I'd rather not say what the flaw is.. The thing that really bothers me is not that someone else made a arcade style controller for the Vectrex. Someone went out of their way to make one as close to my design as possible, noting the "demand" for a controller such as the Vectorcade, and then charging an astronomical price largely based on the current value of the Vectorcade (in my opinion). The material cost in such a controller is about $30-$65 depending on how resourceful you are. Then it comes down to how long it takes to build one up. There are quite a few steps involved. The Vectorcades cost me $65 in materials, and took about 5-6 hours each over the course of several days to create/test/package and ship. Hypothetically speaking, how many of you would pay $687 USD for Vectorcade #30 ? Or Vectorcade Pro #2 ? As I've said I have no intention of making more... but I'm curious to know what the buyers and current Vectorcade owners think. Ethically, I couldn't make a new one and sell it to you for $687 USD, unless I embedded an iPad3 in there. I think that kind of value comes from private sales, after the production "well" dries up. Also, how many of you would not want another Vectorcade sold? FWIW, I'd personally like to see the inside of the Vec2cade and know who I'm buying from. Who is odd-75?
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 3:23:19 GMT -5
Can I please make one thing clear- these are not copies ,they are not vectorcades -they are VEC2CADES! Brett you were the godfather of the vectorcade and thats fine no one can take that away from you and Im not trying to... however that makes me a sequel I suppose the godfather 2... And I think we all how the how the sequel of that one is considered  Its good to have choice. In terms of price I have no idea how or why you sold the vectorcade for so little, as the man hours (5-6 hours?time must move a whole lot slower that side of the world) and expertise involved are no where near covered in your $120. I have my own strategy for these in terms of selling them and thats my porogitive - that is something I will come back to and disscuss. If you want to see the inside for what ever reason I have no problem showing you - not that I recall you ever posting any pics of your interiors if it was that important -not sure what you expecting to see? but I assure you Jimmy Hoffa isnt in there! just a bunch of fiberglass - a small circut board and a the wires going to the joystick and buttons- and no they dont feature any daubings on the base board-trust me I have my own unique features. I know some of this may seem a bit sharp but I really dont appreciate being accused in the manner in which I have,as said you made your vectorcade youve had your glory, but I feel others should be free to contribute to this special community of collectors. |
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 5:25:35 GMT -5
  Just for conformation as Brett decided not to post the comparision images- how he thought that my Vec2cade was made using any mould of his is beyond me- I hope this put to rest anyones doubts:)
Just so that you know my Vec2cade is the one on the left. And while im at it I'll satisfy certain peoples fetish for looking at the insides of things!No smoke and mirrors and as promised "no Jimmy Hoffa"and before he asks the joystick and buttons some of which can be seen on the floor will be added later all freely bought items  |
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Post by VectorX on Aug 5, 2013 7:35:33 GMT -5
but I assure you Jimmy Hoffa isnt in there! Oh, drat, there goes that conspiracy theory! |
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Post by playvectrex on Aug 5, 2013 9:41:38 GMT -5
I never really had a good camera when producing the Vectorcades, but here are a couple shots of the production units. The red one is a special one that was sold at Philly Classic 3. When I dig up more pictures I'll post them. i.imgur.com/qAvQOsR.jpgi.imgur.com/WPrfXwg.jpgi.imgur.com/xZDKcxC.jpg   You don't rush perfection ;-) As for fingerprints, you just wipe off your Vectorcade with some glass cleaner after you are done sweating all over it getting those high scores. I mean, L@@k at it... it begs you to clean it just like you would clean your show car. And priced at $120, some people bought one to play with, and one to display. Thank you for posting a comparison picture showing just how much of a copy it is.You obviously have the ability to create with fiberglass, why not make something more unique? I priced them at $120, because I wasn't setting out to profit off of collectors. I wanted to contribute to the Vectrex community, and leave behind something original that was both functional and a beautiful. |
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Post by sj on Aug 5, 2013 10:23:03 GMT -5
I priced them at $120, because I wasn't setting out to profit off of collectors. That's nice. John Donzila works along similar principles. |
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 12:00:28 GMT -5
To quote you Brett "You don't rush perfection ;-)"
This is my point exactly when you claim you made each one in 5-6 hours it took me 4 times that length at least!- And when all's said and done when you look at the two comparison pics its clear to see what was rushed.
Im sorry I seem to have touched a nerve with you Brett that was never my intention - but I think what you need to be aware of is that there is a much bigger vectrex community out there, other than the handful of people who frequent online forums like this one who choose not to participate online -just like myself, and have been more than happy to pay the price for the for a custom piece of vectrex art- in fact to many its a drop in the ocean which never fails to amaze me- it has nothing to do with the fact you only made 27 vectorcades that is dictating the price, these people know and respect the value of craftmanship
So wither you made 27 or 270 the story still the same - lets face it you undercharged in offering your great service to vectrex owners, thats was purely your choice and if you can live with then then so can everyone else - I on the other hand as a professional artist choose not to prostitute my work.
Thanks for posting the images as I never realised how cushion like the vectorcade was
Priced at $120 id say Brett that people bought one to play with and the other to sit on:)
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Post by sj on Aug 5, 2013 13:09:32 GMT -5
in fact to many its a drop in the ocean which never fails to amaze me How many have you sold? |
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Post by wyldephang on Aug 5, 2013 13:44:21 GMT -5
Mayhem I'd rather not say what the flaw is.. The thing that really bothers me is not that someone else made a arcade style controller for the Vectrex. Someone went out of their way to make one as close to my design as possible, noting the "demand" for a controller such as the Vectorcade, and then charging an astronomical price largely based on the current value of the Vectorcade (in my opinion). The material cost in such a controller is about $30-$65 depending on how resourceful you are. Then it comes down to how long it takes to build one up. There are quite a few steps involved. The Vectorcades cost me $65 in materials, and took about 5-6 hours each over the course of several days to create/test/package and ship. Hypothetically speaking, how many of you would pay $687 USD for Vectorcade #30 ? Or Vectorcade Pro #2 ? As I've said I have no intention of making more... but I'm curious to know what the buyers and current Vectorcade owners think. Ethically, I couldn't make a new one and sell it to you for $687 USD, unless I embedded an iPad3 in there. I think that kind of value comes from private sales, after the production "well" dries up. Also, how many of you would not want another Vectorcade sold? FWIW, I'd personally like to see the inside of the Vec2cade and know who I'm buying from. Who is odd-75? I've come from the Super Nintendo collector's market, which is teeming with sellers who are looking to make a quick buck. I don't believe Odd is intentionally overcharging for her product, but $687 is an astronomically high price for a video game controller and I appreciate that you priced your Vectorcade line at an affordable rate. To answer your question, I think the Vec2cade is proof that there's still a great demand for arcade-style Vectrex controllers. I don't think the Vectorcade would depreciate if you put it back into production and let the people decide if they'd rather pay $120 or $687. |
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 13:53:18 GMT -5
The phase refers to the other work I do where when you stop and think about the mindset of people who recognize if you want something different you have to pay for it- many of the clients that come to me feel that I actually under charge for my work!believe that or not.
It was such a client that actually prompted me to take these online - however since the start of the whining of some parties Im beginning to think I may be better off saying underground like i have done.
As mentioned earlier I have my own method of intention of using these to work with other collectors as I too am someone who recognises the value of unique work.
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Post by 50tbrd on Aug 5, 2013 14:16:00 GMT -5
FYI, as indicated by odd77s proboards ID, she is female.
People can charge anything they want for their services or products, that doesn't mean that you have to purchase it. That's the sellers prerogative.
Do I think odd77s vectorcade will effect the value of the original vectorcades? No. Do I think that new production of vectorcades would effect the value of the originals? Yes, but that's your prerogative as the creator. As a buyer of a collectable item, you take the risk of the value of your item going up OR down. And the return of that item to production is part of the risk.
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 14:19:28 GMT -5
"I don't think the Vectorcade would depreciate if you put it back into production and let the people decide if they'd rather pay $120 or $687." Lets all take the rose tinted spectacles off for a moment and bring some rational to this- There is no way if Brett made another run that he would be pricing them at $120,more fool him if he did- as you get older a higher value gets put on family time -if your being taken away from that you need properly compensated -not to mention the 30 odd percent from 2001 which would adjust it to somewhere in the region of $160 before any of the afore mentioned factors are taken into consideration. That figure of $687 is off too, but thats the ebay effect as the chunk they take on commission comes into play-so lets not get hung up on that figure - but its sure a great way to get people talking. |
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Post by odd77 on Aug 5, 2013 14:26:31 GMT -5
FYI, as indicated by odd77s proboards ID, she is female. I had to laugh at this -Being a female - is that an issue now as well ?  |
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