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Post by VectorX on Aug 6, 2013 11:40:33 GMT -5
Holy crap, that yellow one you could spot a mile away! |
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Post by sj on Aug 6, 2013 11:52:12 GMT -5
Brett. On the red one, what's the silver doo-dah between the joystick and button 1?
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Post by playvectrex on Aug 6, 2013 11:57:50 GMT -5
Brett. On the red one, what's the silver doo-dah between the joystick and button 1? It's a blue LED that lights up when you mash button #4 |
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Post by gauze on Aug 6, 2013 12:05:16 GMT -5
I was at Philly Classic 3 but I didn't see the vectorcade there, I was kind of occupied with running a table selling stuff though  I did get to talk to John Donzilla for a minute though, I got the impression of a guy who is more comfortable with code than with people. also re: straight line button layout, I would consider that a fairly unique vectrexy thing, most arcade button lay outs are from a later generation of arcade machines than the 2nd Gen Vectrex belongs to. I actually can't think of one arcade game from before 84 that had more than 4 buttons all on the same horizontal plane. Asteroids has a staggered button for hyperspace and Defender the 7 button version they are staggered all over the place to fit a basic hand shape. |
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Post by sj on Aug 6, 2013 12:06:11 GMT -5
Brett. On the red one, what's the silver doo-dah between the joystick and button 1? It's a blue LED that lights up when you mash button #4
Ssssshhhhhhh!!!Don't give your secrets away!! (nice touch  ) |
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Post by playvectrex on Aug 6, 2013 12:11:22 GMT -5
It's a blue LED that lights up when you mash button #4
Ssssshhhhhhh!!!Don't give your secrets away!! (nice touch ) Hah... Honestly it was a lot brighter than I would have liked it to be, but it sounded like a good idea at the time. And John Hardie sold the Special Edition Vectorcade for me at Philly Classic 3, so if you saw him with no Vectorcade... you were too late. |
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Post by sj on Aug 6, 2013 12:24:49 GMT -5
I've got bite alarms (carp/pike fishing) in blue - and some in red, yellow and green. It's the blue ones that really dazzle.
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Post by 50tbrd on Aug 6, 2013 14:03:43 GMT -5
Arcade Layouts- www.slagcoin.com/joystick/layout.htmlVec2cade only works because you're harkening back to the original Vectorcade. You put a lot of effort into duplicating the aspects of and creating a lineage to the original. So much talent and apparently no originally to make any of your own ideas. You and I must have gone to art schools where they taught 2 very different ideas on creativity and originally. So many people doing things in the Vectrex community.... Every multi-cart is different, every game is different- even the clones of games that have already been cloned, different homebrew overlays, different controller mods. Nobody says "I want to do the exact same thing that person did." Everyone says "I want to do something different." |
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Post by odd77 on Aug 6, 2013 14:03:53 GMT -5
"Almost every arcade stick I've encountered has the buttons in a shallow arc"
how about looking right under your nose at the Vectrex for which it is meant as a companion ,I'll also mention the nes controller,sega master system,i could go on.......
Even the Hotrod joystick and X-arcade arcade control panels opted for the layout which where again before the vectorcade and have acted as as huge inspiration here were straight line layout is far from being unique,
I cant imagine Sony claiming Microsoft cant use a cross button formation because they had it first its a bit of a futile argument admit it.
as for the buttons and joystick you guys are the ones whining about price! I would like to here you if I went for the expensive components!
The arc config is primarily used in fighter layouts -not too many fighting games on vectrex last time i looked or has the been some explosion in fighter homebrew im not aware of?
Shooters are by tradition straight - and what are the majority of vectrex games.... nuff said - "here endith the lesson"
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Post by odd77 on Aug 6, 2013 14:10:58 GMT -5
Nobody says"I want to do the exact same thing that person did." Everyone says "I want to do something different."
My motivation exactly well put!
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Post by sj on Aug 6, 2013 14:24:06 GMT -5
Incredible. There's something on the internet about ev'ry damn thing. |
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Post by 50tbrd on Aug 6, 2013 14:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by wyldephang on Aug 6, 2013 14:34:44 GMT -5
Almost every arcade stick I've encountered has the buttons in a shallow arc, to encompass the natural curve of the fingers on the hand. The only one that springs to mind that has them in a straight line is... the Vectorcade. The fact you've copied that aspect, and what appears to be exactly the same joystick parts is a little telling. And that's what I think people are griping about, that in so many ways this product is designed to ape the original Vectorcade and not stand on its own feet, completely apart. You're right, most arcade-style controllers (as shown in the attached photo) arrange the buttons in an arc to contour to the natural curve of the hand and wrist. But I think the button layout of the Vec2cade/Vectorcade is a tribute to the original Vectrex controller, which arranges the four buttons in a straight line. I do see your point, however, and agree that the Vec2cade seems to reproduce all the features of Brett's design. Even the name, Vec2cade, has that "cheap knockoff" ring to it, even if the product is anything but cheap. Attachments:
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Post by Mayhem on Aug 6, 2013 14:41:44 GMT -5
how about looking right under your nose at the Vectrex for which it is meant as a companion I was taking the actual, original Vectrex controller as read as, well, I think we all know the layout. I'll also mention the nes controller,sega master system,i could go on....... I said ARCADE STICK, not console joypad. Something with an actual joystick and buttons. Even the Hotrod joystick and X-arcade arcade control panels opted for the layout which where again before the vectorcade and have acted as as huge inspiration here were straight line layout is far from being unique, I've never actually seen a HotRod, and I forgot about the X-Arcade. Sadly those tended to be made with less than stellar components, having used a few. Too much travel usually on the stick for starters. I cant imagine Sony claiming Microsoft cant use a cross button formation because they had it first its a bit of a futile argument admit it. I can't imagine either can given Nintendo used it on the SNES controller back in 1990. The arc config is primarily used in fighter layouts And yet knowing a few top level shooter fanatics, they prefer the arc config for buttons too. C'est la vie, it's really down to what you prefer as a player. |
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Post by hcmffm on Aug 6, 2013 15:05:43 GMT -5
Sorry for interrupting the button formation discussion and for bothering you all with an answer to an old post, but I just came from work. @admins: Perhaps the forum setting "Minimum time elapsed before next post" should be increased a bit.  ... Now to the issue in hand -I do not wish to argue any more about this as it is clear that many other have grasped the rational of what I am doing and are happy to move on- on the other hand there (as in most cases in life) the minority who dont like change and want to live in the past. We all have a lot of respect for Bret and what he gave to the vectrex community however world is too large a place to allow one person to try and claim a monopoly over such a thing in such a fashion - I could understand your point of view should the vectorcade ultilize some specific piece of tech or material which he pioneered-but the fact is it doesnt- The world would be a very underdeveloped place if your attitude had of been adopted towards the the makers of the first car,aeroplane,television,computer,and even games console. Not that im suggesting that the vectorcade or Vec2cade is in this league - it wont change the world lets be real. The control console far predates even the oldest member of this site and beyond,as im sure do the the other components used, add to this a logo which now exsits in the public domain - let alone that brett never even used the MB euro logo nor ever expressed any notion for using it- what has he got? You obliviously have a close connection with Brett and its a very honorable thing you are trying to do for him - but hounding me to remove my original product from ebay goes a bit to far - if you read the listing I clearly state it is "not a vectorcade" and that the other other images are for illustration purposes only and are not for sale! Finally I think you seem to but making a big assumption in stating that "noone here wants your Vectrex controller under the current conditions" as its not the feedback that im getting - sorry - but as said earlier there are those willing to try new things.And if you or any others dont wish to be involved its fine,but please allow other for have a choice and think for themselves. ... Thanks for your long reply, odd77. Some brief thoughts, I guess you can match my thoughts to your mail: - Yes, there had been replicas in the past, the present, and there will be in the future. Are the manufacturers happy with with the replicas? No. Is it legal? No. Is it ethical? No.
- Copying a Vectrex item that started back in the year 2001 is progress?
- By now, the ebay listing has been edited three times.
- Unfortunately, I have no close connection to Brett.
- Is there any post or sentence here with something like "Hurray, a clone of the Vectorcade is available!"?
- Not shouting out a loud "NO!!!" doesn't mean "Yes.".
odd77, you are a free person and can do whatever you want. Sure enough nobody can keep you from producing and selling your Vectorcade clones. Just think for an instant about good manners, moral, and ethics. And your current situation and your replica of the Vectorcade. |
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